Attorney clarifies Jewell School Board’s status

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Carrie Bartoldus June 2, 2008

In an email dated June 2, 2008 Nancy Hungerford, with the Hungerford Law Firm, Jewell School District counsel, writes, “There is no prohibition in the statute or Board policy of a member rescinding a resignation before the Board declares the vacancy at its next regular meeting. Therefore, at this date, the school board has three members.”

According to ORS 332.030 “The district school board shall declare the office of a director vacant upon any of the following: (a) the death or resignation of the incumbent …” Since the board did not meet, no vacancies were declared between the time that the resignations were submitted or rescinded.

Jewell School District does not have a policy that specifically addresses rescinding resignations. Board policy on resignations simply asks that when a member decides to terminate service, the Board requests earliest possible notification of intent to resign so that the Board may plan for the continuity of board business.

Board member Alan Foster first resigned in what he stated was a decision made hastily, “while I was angry and disappointed” in reference to the outcome of the election that recalled Karl Meiers and Ann Samuelson. He apologized for putting his self before the educational achievement of the students in his letter rescinding his resignation.

Cathy Rozinek also resigned as a director of the Jewell School Board. Rozinek changed the date of her resignation to be effective June 30, 2008, stating that she realized there is important business decisions that need to be made and that her goal for serving on the Board has always been to look out for the best interests of the School and its students.

The Northwest Regional Education Service District would have intervened had they received the letters of resignation and notification from the Clatsop County elections clerk that the recall had been certified at the same time. As it stands, the NWRESD was not yet involved at the time the resignation letters were written because the election had not yet been certified. Consequently, the Jewel School Board has always had three board members, enough for a quorum.

At the special meeting held at the Jewell school tonight, Monday June 2, the Board elected Alan Foster as Chair and Tania Skinner as Vice-Chair. They acknowledged the receipt of the certified results of the recall election. Chair Alan Foster then called the audience’s attention to the note at the bottom of the agenda regarding the Public Meeting Law. Reading aloud Foster reminded the audience that the law only guarantees members of the public the right to monitor the school board meetings, it does not grant the members of the public the right to interact with the school board during those meetings. Foster went on to clarify that if the board decided to allow public comments it could impose procedural restrictions. No comments from the audience were taken during the meeting.

Vacancies for positions 4 and 5 were declared immediately and position 3 effective June 30th. The Board decided that applications for the positions would be available beginning Wednesday, June 4th. Applications should be turned in promptly as the interview process will begin at the following Board meeting, June 9th, and will continue until the positions are filled. The Board’s time line is to have at least one position filled before June 30th, when Rozinek’s resignation goes into effect, or the Board will lose its quorum.

At the end of the meeting Foster stated that all comments and questions regarding procedures should be directed to the superintendent as board members are merely parents and district members when the board was not meeting. Skinner asked that community members quit debating these matters in public forums where people can read about Jewell, including online blogs where “hurtful and ugly things” were being written.

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On Jun 2, 10:44 PM, For those who don't understand Jones role at Board wrote:

The Superintendent

School boards in all except the smallest school districts hire a superintendent or superintendent-principal who is responsible for the school district’s daily operation and administration.

Contracts between school boards and superintendents are worked out individually. [ORS 192.660(1)(a)(D)]

Superintendents may expend funds as provided by the district’s budget. They prepare annual budgets for review by the districts’ budget committees and boards. A superintendent is directly responsible to the board for recommending the hiring, assigning, supervising, evaluating and firing of staff members [ORS 342.895(1)] and for determining the school curriculum.

The superintendent is the person to contact for comments about district policies, operations, finances and curriculum.

The Clerk

The superintendent, if one is employed, is also, by law, the district clerk and responsible for board and district record keeping. A deputy clerk usually is employed to do many of the administrative functions assigned by law to the clerk. If a district has no superintendent, then a clerk is hired who often shares district administrative functions with a teaching principal or head teacher.

http://www.osba.org/covered/organize/supt.htm

On Jun 2, 11:06 PM, Tips From Oregon School Board Association wrote:

Tips for New Board Members from the Oregon School Board Association’s website. Jewell Board might ask tentative members if they are comfortable conforming to this guidance?

As a school board member, you are responsible for educating all of the children in your district. This is no easy task; the hours are long and the thanks few. But the rewards are many.

OSBA’s leadership staff developed these tips to help new board members.

Review the board operations section of your district’s policy manual.

Know your board member code of ethics backwards and forwards. (If you don’t have one or can’t find it, contact OSBA.)

Review the board meeting minutes from the past half-dozen meetings to become familiar with issues being discussed by the board.

Meet with your superintendent to obtain a clear understanding of the district’s budget. Ask lots of questions.

Assume your position with an open mind. Abandon preconceived notions and hidden agendas, including opinions about administrators, teachers, and other staff and board members.

Remember, you will be making decisions that affect the children of your district. Always keep their best interest in mind.

Realize that you don’t know everything, and capitalize on every opportunity to learn.

Expect to be in the minority on board decisions once in a while and accept the majority decision graciously. The time to voice your opinions about issues is before the vote is taken.

Expect some board decisions to be unpopular with your constituents or even the community at large.

You have only one vote. Your issues can only be successful if you convincetwo, three or four (depending the size of your board) other board members to vote with you.

Do not surprise your superintendent, administrators or your fellow board members at a public meeting with unexpected comments or requests.

Be flexible and willing to compromise.

Be a good listener. Superintendents, administrators, teachers, students and community members can help you learn more about your job.

Stay connected with your schools, teachers and students.

Your role is to establish policy and set goals. It is up to the superintendent to manage the district and get it where the board says it needs to go.

Learn your district’s chain of command. Refer all complaints to the proper person.

Understand and abide by Oregon’s Public Meetings Law.

Have fun, and enjoy your role of helping kids!

On Jun 3, 7:10 PM, Kristin Kuhnly wrote:

Thank you whoever posted tips of becoming a new board member. I’ve been doing my homework today. Tomorrow I will have my application in for a seat on the board. Cant wait to make a difference in our school for my children.

On Jun 4, 6:41 PM, a parents thought wrote:

On Jun 4, 5:46 AM, Had enough ten times over wrote: 65 posts. Has anybody learned anything here? Really?
I learned that the Superintendent is the clerk for the school district. It looks like he gets the legal papers/documents, etc… and sets up the board meetings. I never knew that. The way people were grousing I was under the impression that Mike and Jerry were nosy parkers poking around and “leading people around by the nose” in areas that were none of their concern. I also learned that the superintendent is the one that “steers” the school district after the board has laid out the map of the area they want the district to be in. The superintendent’s job is to find the most direct route, stay inside the budget, follow all the laws and hire the best personnel to get the job done. A bad board micro-manages, but a worse board totally ignores signs that things are going wrong.

A good board follows the chain of command and knows what it is. I didn’t know that. I thought we were supposed to go to the board with our gripes. Really. If someone had taken the time to explain to me that we were there to watch the board’s meeting I wouldn’t have been so angry or frustrated about “not being listened to”.

Always before now school board meetings WERE like town hall meetings an open forum to say what you wanted when you wanted (more or less). Maybe nothing was getting done. Maybe thats why “real” school/state problems didn’t get addressed? I don’t know. I do know that the same people got to speak their piece a lot, some of us got to have our say, and it felt like people were being listened to. And maybe that is sad. Because now it looks like it was all a fake. While we were being “listened” to our school was going down the crapper.

I would appreciate it if a letter were sent home to parents to explain what school board meetings were for. I would appreciate it if we had the opportunity to have a parent teacher association or organization or whatever the hell they are calling it now. Then if that organization could have a place on the board’s agenda to report whatever recommendations it had people could feel like they were being heard both parents and teachers.

Personally I think I’ve learned more hear than I have in the last couple of years of debate over this issue.

On Jun 5, 2:39 PM, PTOforJewell wrote:

The Citizens For Open Government should show how FAIR they are and start their letters to the Jewell school board writing about Schockelts’ ongoing substance abuse problem and record keeping problem that should bar him from any role on a board that has anything to do with money or children. The recent problem with drugs right on the school grounds with another Schockelt involvement is proof enough that that family has issues that bar him from being on the board if CFOG is being fair about anything. Eady’s refusal to apologize for her involvement in creating the problems that the budget is currently in and her recent letters in the Daily Astorian blaming the current board for the decisions and binding contracts her board made show her as irresponsible and barring her from a position on the board.
Kirstin Kuhnly sounds like a good fit and someone who is willing to follow OSBA guidance and state mandates. Not some nut job who is going to pretend like Jewell is a private school that can make up its own rules as it goes a long. The only thing I can find wrong with Kuhnly is she is applying for the position after seeing what kind of lies can be made up about her. How is she going to PROVE that she didn’t attend any ILLEGAL executive meetings (for instance meetings that are discussing whether or not to expel certain kids for drug dealing) when she isn’t allowed to discuss those meeting?
If Eady, Schockelt, Jacobsen ($$$$ for policy updates), Thompson, Cavin tribe aren’t appointed they will be attacking whoever is. That is the sad thing.

On Jun 5, 5:58 PM, Resident wrote:

A parents thought,
Your school wasn’t going down the crapper, Jewell School is well on it’s way to being a great place to learn and grow, something the community at large might want to try on. Staff are working with students everyday to teach them all they can, opportunities such as the band, habitat for humanity trips are happening. From the standpoint of being a student at Jewell it probably has never been better. This idea that everybody has to be heard everywhere is pretty extreme at Jewell, it actually keeps things from moving forward in a positive manner as they could. The constant interruptions, and false accusations wear out administration, your school board, and staff. Most of all the way some of these community members behave is not good for kids, that’s the bottomline.

On Jun 5, 6:05 PM, CCFOGWATCHER wrote:

So it does look like CCFOGGERS are buddies with Oly....the fog gets thicker...somebody blow the horn!

On Jun 5, 6:35 PM, idiotwatch wrote:

Better back up those accusations on Oly. I hear he isn’t very tolerant of people besmirching his character.

CCFOG! The bane of all evil to the supporters of the crumbling caste system but a friend to all citizens of Clatsop County who wish to have and deserve some quality in their lives.

On Jun 5, 6:43 PM, Kristin Kuhnly wrote:

Thank you so much PTOforJewell for the vote of confidence. I truly appreciate it and intend to do a great job if chosen to fill a seat on the board. Also, thanks to resident for keeping things so positive!! It’s the way it should be!

On Jun 5, 8:12 PM, PTO for Jewell wrote:

Clarifying “ongoing” drug problem: documents indicating ongoing through the ‘80s and current problems w/his own kids involvement in the drug scene at school. Doubt if Schockelt really wants to take something like this to court as quite a few of us will have to discuss where we spent our teen years. Believe me, he don’t want that.

CFOG is merely another caste system. Rich trust fund babies, “artist” wannabes, self-thought musicians, elitists who need servants and the tourist trade. And so pretentious they think they are our county’s saviours.

On Jun 5, 8:34 PM, Ron wrote:

6-4-08

To Mr. Jerry Jones Interim Superintendent Jewell School

In regards to the special Jewell school board meeting held on 6-2-08.

According to ORS 332.030 (5) If the offices of a majority of the directors of any district are vacant at the same time, the education service district board, or if there is none, the governing body of the county shall appoint persons to fill the vacancies.
1. Cathy Rozinek official resigned on 5-21-08 and the letter was in the Daily Astorian on the same day.
2. Cathy Rozinek’s letter of resignation was address to Karl Meier board chairperson and Jerry Jones Interim superintendent on 5-21-08
3. Cathy Rozinek’s letter to extend her resignation is address only to Jerry Jones because it was fabricated after the official certified recall confirmation on Karl and Ann. There was no reason to address it to Karl after the recall confirmation.
4. Cathy Rozinek’s letter has no date as to when she changed her mind, but is merely asking Jerry Jones for permission to extend her resignation time.
5. Alan Foster’s letter to rescind his resignation was dated 5-26-08. Why did Jerry Jones wait until 5-30-08 to announce to the Daily Astorian that 2 board members have rescinded their resignations? As of 5-29-08 the Jewell school board lacked a board quorum to hold any meetings because of confirmed certification recall on Karl and Ann.
6. Why were the letters not stamped and dated by the Jewell School for authenticity purpose.
7. At the Jewell School board meeting on 6-2-08 who authorized Alan Foster and Cathy Rozinek to reinstate their resignations? The Oregon law prohibits board members from voting on an actual conflict of interest.
8. Ulrich “Oly” Schockelt, a former Jewell board member who led the recall campaign, said he e-mailed ESD Superintendent Jim Mabbott and Jewell School District Interim Superintendent Jerry Jones when he heard about Foster’s and Rozinek’s resignations.
9. “Once we have verified that the Jewell School District Board of Directors is short of a quorum, our board will abide by the statute and develop a process to appoint additional board members until a quorum is reached,” ESD Board Chairwoman Gail Young said Thursday (5-22-08) in a public statement. “We will work with the Jewell superintendent and any remaining board members to make sure that the process is equitable, timely and clearly communicated.”
10. Jerry Jones came from ESD and should understand proper procedures that need to be followed. Were the proper procedures conducted in a timely manner?

Can it be proven beyond the reasonable doubt that Cathy Rozinek’s letter was written and received before 5-29-08? If it were written before 5-29-08 it would have also been addressed to Karl Meier. It would appear that her letter was fabricated after the confirmed recall certifications. It is reasonable to conclude that the Jewell school majority directors became vacant as of 5-29-08.

I hereby protest and believe the special Jewell School board meeting held on 6-2-08 was illegal as stated in the above reasons

On Jun 5, 8:55 PM, Uh OH wrote:

So Ron and Oly have teamed up to fight the corruptness of the greater Jewell area....buckle your seatbelts everybody!! No hard-working volunteer is immune from their intelligent scrutiny.....and crack jack box law degrees....

On Jun 5, 9:34 PM, Volunteer wrote:

Notice hard working volunteer following corruptness mentioned in UH OH’s comment. The comment could have addressed hard working volunteer after corruptness and been just as appropriate. No, a third option is just lump the issue together and address a corrupt volunteer.

On Jun 5, 10:22 PM, arent we there yet wrote:

Ron’s statement is a moot point. Until a governing agency meets, accepts the resignations and declares a vacancy, whether it’s the Jewell School Board OR the NWRESD, the resignations can be rescinded or changed. Ron refers to no point of law that supports his statements nor to any policy that was broken.

Very interesting that some of these people WANT ESD to take over control of the school. I would say that Ron and Oly are not on the same side on this one!!!

Jones does not owe a paper an explanation of anything, especially a paper that rarely bothers to show up to any of our events or even deliver out here. Rozinek wasn’t asking Jones permission, she was informing him of her intent. Jones is the clerk for the Board, per statute and OSBA policy.

332.030 Vacancy in office of director. (1) The district school board shall declare the office of a director vacant upon the happening of any of the following:

(a) The death or resignation of the incumbent.

(4) When a vacancy is declared under subsection (1)(a), (b) or (d) to (f) of this section, the remaining member or members of the board shall meet and appoint a person to fill the vacancy.

(5) If the offices of a majority of the directors of any district are vacant at the same time, the education service district board, shall appoint persons to fill the vacancies.

Ron, it is you who should have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Rozinek’s letter WASN’T written when she said it was since you are the accuser. But, once again, we have entered the areana where people are guilty until they prove their innocence.

On Jun 6, 4:08 AM, UH OH wrote:

OK Volunteer,
So the payoff for being a corrupt volunteer school board member is what? More torture from people like you that continue to misinterpret statutes and harass others I suppose. People become school board members because they care about kids, and they want to serve their communities. It’s one of the most thankless volunteer jobs there is.

On Jun 6, 6:07 AM, Ron wrote:

arent we there yet

Cathy Rozinek has never stated when her letter was written. If the clatsop county election office had done their job and reported to ESD when the certification was confirmed this conversation would not take place. Since Cathy Rozinek’s letter was not dated and I am not aware of her letter in the news media, her date of rescind to extend her resignation would be 6-2-08 at the special board meeting.

Aren’t we there yet wrote the following

“Ron’s statement is a moot point. Until a governing agency meets, accepts the resignations and declares a vacancy, whether it’s the Jewell School Board OR the NWRESD, the resignations can be rescinded or changed. Ron refers to no point of law that supports his statements nor to any policy that was broken.”

My statement

You cannot rescind or change the resignations if the offices of a majority of the directors of any district are vacant at the same time, the education service district board, shall appoint persons to fill the vacancies. This became true on 5-29-08 when the recall was confirmed. The Jewell School board broke the law on 6-2-08 by having a special board meeting.
If Jones is the clerk of the district he should understand how important it would be to have all documents stamp and date received by the school district.
Every thing has been according to Jerry Jones and what might appear to be true for his own interest.
The burden of proof should be on the Jewell school district to prove to the community that the statements above are lawful or unlawful.

On Jun 6, 6:34 AM, bigpicture wrote:

Once a again a clear mandate to consolidate Clatsop County Schools into two districts and cut out the potential for this nonsense and to ensure even fundint to all schools.

This issue has devolved into ludicrousness.

And then you got Ann Samuelson, recalled from this board and still serving at ESD? Clatsop County Commission?

The absurdity of it all is laughable.

On Jun 6, 6:35 AM, WE Are There wrote:

(5) If the offices of a majority of the directors of any district are vacant at the same time, the education service district board, shall appoint persons to fill the vacancies. This is supposedly under ORS 332.030 according to Are We There Yet. This person got a lot right like Ron and Oly are not together unlike others that tie fog , dogs , and many other name combos together thru their commenting addresses with nasty names.
But on the interpretation “Until a governing agency meets, accepts the resignations and declares a vacancy, whether it’s the Jewell School Board OR the NWRESD, the resignations can be rescinded or changed” me thinks hes blows it. Effective immediately as the resignee stated is just that. Cant teach common sense.
We are not fooled, ESD reps have been a big part of the problem by overstating the quality of duties performed in the last couple of years compared to the previous years and making those statements public while a recall is going on. Actually if you look at some regulations and statutes you could tie some of their comments as concerning issues of political nature related to effecting a recall. Oops if any of those ESD related voices where present employees of a governing body, well I just wanted to pass on a bit of another red flag. Theres wrong all over the place and yes we know the likes of which ESD would most likely fill vacant positions and therefor a good chance not much gained but at least someone would be try to do something right even if wrong in the big picture.

On Jun 6, 7:22 AM, UH OH wrote:

This whole recall, and now complaints about resignations is absolutely absurd, ludicrous, and laughable one could say; Exception here is that a few people were believed and the school district and community pays the price. Consolidation is a good idea…

On Jun 6, 7:47 AM, Far West Guest wrote:

“bigpicture wrote:

Once a again a clear mandate to consolidate Clatsop County Schools into two districts and cut out the potential for this nonsense and to ensure even fundint to all schools.”

Two districts? Why not one? Fewer supers and secretaries equal lower overhead. One fifth the number of board members equals one fifth the drama.
Everyone wins except the folks who want to be big fish in little ponds and puddles.

On Jun 6, 8:05 AM, bigpicture wrote:

I tried one already and the consensus a north/south district would work better and really, I agree as there seems to be quite a diversity between the two.

On Jun 6, 8:33 AM, Enough Already wrote:

Consolidating into two districts could be the answer, the Jewell community would then have to accept that there is a better way than campaigning for power and running off Superintendents...in the end it would show much more consistency for students...given the circumstances it makes sense...a few people couldn’t attempt a take over like they have here.

On Jun 6, 10:50 AM, gettingthebigpicture wrote:

Ironic, if a consolidation went to a vote the people that voted to destroy their own school board wouldn’t have enough votes to win a campaign against consolidation...and by by to all the special deals for staff at Jewell School District.

On Jun 6, 11:15 AM, Hmm wrote:

Why can’t you people let it go and let Mr. Jones and the current doard do their jobs. I think we are forgetting we are a school and we need to do what is best for our KIDS!!

On Jun 6, 12:14 PM, when is it going to be for the kids? wrote:

You keep SAYING that resignation is effective immediately however state law says that a vacancy must be declared. Until the vacancy is declared the resignation can be rescinded SO SAYS A LAWYER! Not a bunch of us anonymous forum lurkers. Jones didn’t make up the rule, he followed state law, board policy AND got a legal opinion. Even still, not enough for some jokers.

On Jun 6, 1:18 PM, whynot wrote:

Why then is Mr. Jones afraid to get an official opinion from the state district attorney’s office? In my opionion, the school district has been very poorly served by their current “legal counsel.”

On Jun 6, 2:21 PM, Resident wrote:

whynot,
Mr. Jones understands how to put information together, consult with legal counsel when appropriate, and is not afraid of anything regarding his job as far as I can tell. He probably does know that consulting the Attorney General’s office regarding this would be nothing less than ridiculous and laughable. So for the sake of all intelligent life left in Jewell after all this nonsense...stop making judgements where you have no experience, and support the administration and school board that’s left.

On Jun 6, 2:25 PM, whynot wrote:

Which school board would that be? I can only count one member.

On Jun 6, 3:01 PM, bigpicture has a narrow frame wrote:

whynot, if we are using your criteria, you shouldn’t be counting any since she attended the illegal board meeting with illegal board members.

By the way, I assume you filed charges with the District Attorney for this mess? 3 counts of attending illegal meetings; 3 counts of making illegal decisions without the proper authority (declaring vacancies when not authorized to do so), 3 counts of impersonating board members.

You could get the list of all of those who attended from the sign in sheet and charge them as accomplices since they didn’t stand up and walk out of the meeting.

SHHHHEEEEEESH!

Jones is the clerk for the board of directors. Look up what that means, what his duties entail. Get a legal definition of vacancy. Get some sort of LEGAL advice before you go off on this wild goose chase. I realize you’re fond of those but it isn’t even July yet. How much more do you want to riiiip this community apart?

On Jun 6, 3:37 PM, whynot wrote:

Sorry big pictue. As a proud American, I can’t consider the matters we are discussing here as a “wild goose chase.” It’s embarrassing to me as a citizen and a proud member of the working class to be told to be quiet when I see a problem in our school system, and make an honest suggestion on how to solve it. Let’s all get over the days when everything was run by the “founding families,” and move on to more citizen based control over the school district.

On Jun 6, 4:37 PM, Bigpicture wrote:

And a unified school district wouldn’t be better than this?

Holy crap! Your children are in dire straights.

On Jun 6, 4:46 PM, Resident wrote:

whynot,
You make founding families sound like a bad thing...you can thank them for their many decades of volunteer at the school, probably supporting your children whoever they are in some way in the community whether it was 4-H or sports activities...so feel the embarrassment, you should. I am grateful to the long standing families in Jewell, they have done nothing but support youth in our community.

On Jun 6, 5:45 PM, every family founded something somewhere wrote:

what makes you more of a citizen than the “founding families”? you are talking nonsensical “hooey”. in twenty years some new people will call your kids “founding family” members and shout them down at meetings merely because you contributed your time and effort now. does that make sense?

its what you are doing. your argument is that the school board needs to be “more citizen based” when all it is is “citizen based” the members sitting on it are “citizens” the advisory boards are citizens. what are you talking about when you say it needs “more citizen based control”?

are you going to change state law on who is legally responsible for the school district?

why not organize a pta? http://www.oregonpta.org/ that’s a citizens control group overseeing the school district.

as a proud American, whynot, i completely disagree with what you are saying and even if the majority of people agreed with you i am very glad our government is based on the rule of law, not on what Alexis de Tocqueville called “the tyranny of the majority.”

On Jun 6, 6:21 PM, BigPicture wrote:

Seems to me School Boards should be education based, striveing to get those children in their district the best education and best facilities possible with every action committed to doing so.

I’ve heard none, if very little, of that in this entire conversation just a bunch of power hungry adults digressing almost to the level of the children they presumably represent.

On Jun 6, 9:00 PM, Resident wrote:

BigPicture,
AMEN!

On Jun 6, 9:20 PM, Immediate Picture wrote:

Big Picture certainly adds to the problem, sure the bigger picture is about education but this article is about a quorum. The quorum by law is adults, get the picture ? And for your information theres is a lot of people in this whole country fed up with people hiding behind the kids when dealing with very serious issues. They think that because they quote all for the kids then they will be credible on whatever they address. We know that game and its getting old. Kids are very important, quite hiding behind them.

On Jun 6, 9:28 PM, Bigpicture wrote:

<i?Big Picture certainly adds to the problem, sure the bigger picture is about education but this article is about a quorum. The quorum by law is adults, get the picture ? And for your information theres is a lot of people in this whole country fed up with people hiding behind the kids when dealing with very serious issues. They think that because they quote all for the kids then they will be credible on whatever they address. We know that game and its getting old. Kids are very important, quite hiding behind them.>Big Picture certainly adds to the problem, sure the bigger picture is about education but this article is about a quorum. The quorum by law is adults, get the picture ? And for your information theres is a lot of people in this whole country fed up with people hiding behind the kids when dealing with very serious issues. They think that because they quote all for the kids then they will be credible on whatever they address. We know that game and its getting old. Kids are very important, quite hiding behind them. </i>

Your problem Resident, epitomized right here.

By the way “immediatepicture” the proper word is “quit” as opposed to “quite”. I’ll quote this example of adult misuse of words to those kids we are hiding behind.

Silly adult.

On Jun 6, 9:45 PM, Immediate Picture wrote:

Thanks bigpicture spell check was not used, now we know this site has you. You are so smart, any adult would recognize that one as a typo error and not inform the kids incorrectly. You helped accentuate the problem quite well, see how quite is used here? HEE HEE Remember once again this article is about a quorum.

On Jun 7, 4:21 AM, Bigpicture wrote:

Don’t try to “splain” this one away “Immediate Picture”.
As a matter of fact I think you are not even a member of the Jewell Community at all.
I think you are just trying to dive all this negativity to just keep this, long worn out, discussion going for lack of anything else new to dicuss on this piece of crap website but now you got some new crap going.
And you have the unmitigated gaul to criticize the Daily Astorian?
Just another adult “Acting Out”.
I would thank God my child would not stumble acroos this site. It’s bad enough she has to attend school under this kind of leadership.
And Kuhnly wants to, in the Daily Astorian, continues to endorse and apologize for Ann Samuelson and intends to run for School Board?
No way in hell Kuhnly!

On Jun 7, 6:46 AM, Ron wrote:

There is no Oregon state law about “until the vacancy is declared the resignation can be rescinded”. This is mandated by school policy not the Oregon law. If the school policy stated that “until the vacancy is declared the resignation could be rescinded” this would actually be lawful.

According to the Jewell School policy Allen Foster terminated his service on 5-20-08 and Cathy Rozinek terminated her service on 5-21-08.

The Oregon state law states that a vacancy must be declared in a public school board meeting in order to appoint or reappoint a person. If the Jewell School board had a quorum on 6-2-08 excluding Foster and Rozinek a motion to reinstate their resignations could have been voted and been lawful.

On Jun 7, 6:48 AM, Resident wrote:

BigPicture,
So you talk about drivel earlier, and now you slam Kuhnly and accuse her of endorsing and spologizing for Samuelson...what about Meier by the way, he worked tirelessly as a board member also. This smells like Mcgee, you sometimes do well at focusing on issues and alternatives and then wham after a few posts you need to have a crack up and accuse people of hatred, big egos etc. I take back the amen earlier.....

On Jun 7, 7:18 AM, Bigpicture wrote:

Wrong Bartoldus!!!!
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong!!!
Shame on you for continuing to push this.
Your obsession with McGee is very disturbing.

On Jun 7, 8:14 AM, Resident wrote:

Bigpicture,
I am not Bartoldus....you sound bizarre here...talk about obsession.

On Jun 7, 8:44 AM, Ron wrote:

Was there a 24 hour notice as required by law for the special board meeting to be held on 6-9-08?
Generally the time frame for written school board minutes of all public board meetings should not exceed 3 weeks. I have not seen any written minutes for any meetings after 4-21-08.
I know some of you will continue to say that the Jewell school board has never violated any Oregon laws or school policy.

On Jun 7, 11:36 AM, Bigpicture wrote:

Well I’m not McGee either Bartoldus.

On Jun 7, 1:13 PM, Carrie wrote:

“Big Picture” - I can see the ips and you are making an ass of yourself. Resident is a Jewell resident. How can I tell? Its a century tel ip. 90% of those commenting on this article are century tel. These people appear to know who one another are, for the most part, and they know you aren’t one of them.

You have stated that your object in commenting on this site is to disrupt it. In the terms of use it states that those whose purpose is to disrupt this site will not be allowed to comment/their comments may be deleted.

Now, knock it off.

On Jun 7, 1:21 PM, Big Picture wrote:

You have stated that your object in commenting on this site is to disrupt it

Just to refresh my memory you want to refernce the specific post where I said this?

Then I’ll knock it off unless you want to go ahead and deny me my right to freedom of speech now.

I’ll wait for your answer.

On Jun 7, 1:42 PM, Carrie wrote:

Abide by the terms of use, “Big Picture.” Stay on topic of the article, do not disrupt the site. This isn’t a debate, discussion over.

On Jun 7, 2:49 PM, Big Picture wrote:

On Jun 7, 12:42 PM, Carrie wrote:

Abide by the terms of use, “Big Picture.” Stay on topic of the article, do not disrupt the site. This isn’t a debate, discussion over.

I don’t know that I have abided by the terms of this site any better than you Bartodlus, nevertheless, I insist that you present to me a specific reference in your accusation, “You have stated that your object in commenting on this site is to disrupt it.”

On Jun 7, 3:20 PM, Carrie wrote:

We can continue this dialog in email, however you are disrupting the comment thread now, as you very well know. I will contact you at the email address(es) you have been using “Big Picture” however this discussion is over, here, whether you “insist” on something or not. You are, after all, merely an anonymous person without “courage to hold yourself accountable for what you say in respect to those who may receive your criticism” and if I showed previous comments here, it would “out” you.

Now, the comments are to be on the topic of the article.

On Jun 7, 3:25 PM, Patrick McGee wrote:

Don’t feel bad “BigPicture”, below is what I get when I try to access another of Bartoldus’s vitriolic blogs, “Dried Salmon Matters Message Board”

“Please read posting notices and agreements in Clatsop County Matters to whom board before making a post to any board/thread/topic
CCM’s Dried Salmon Message Board :: An Error Has Occurred
An Error Has Occurred
Sorry, but you have been banned from this forum.

Forum Jump”

On Jun 7, 3:47 PM, Big Picture wrote:

On Jun 7, 2:20 PM, Carrie wrote:

Now, the comments are to be on the topic of the article.

You know damned well madam there ain’t no email to comment to under this name and if you choose to betray my anonymity and the confidence a person should have in this or any other site should they choose to use anonymity in expressing their views then I caution all using this site to beware but, you do what you have to do, it simply relfects the integrity of this site and its ethics.

I still insist that you present me with specific reference of your allegation against me, “You have stated that your object in commenting on this site is to disrupt it.” or a public apology from NCO and Immediately so.

On Jun 7, 10:27 PM, Matt wrote:

Just trying to put pieces together; is “big picture” and and “mark arbuck” one in the same? I was scanning the blogs and his bones of contention seem to be Ann S. and LNG.

If the above is true, then you should find other interests than Jewell School. Ann is gone, claim victory if it makes you feel better but when it comes to our school you are definetly part of the problem rather than working towards common goals and a less devisive school district.

If I am wrong about your I.D. then I apologize to Mr. Arbuck for confusing him with such a boil an the ass of humanity. If you are promoting a countywide school dist. while residing in our dist. then you are traitorous. and if you are questioning Mrs. Kuhnly’s motives, you obviously have never met her. I would warn you not to engage in charactor debate with her, for, in my oppion, she has more in her little finger than you amassed in your whole life.

On Jun 7, 10:41 PM, Matt wrote:

I’ve been reading Ron’s Blogs and they all sound the same. He claims that the boardmeeting on June 2nd was illegal. Hungerford and associates, the schools legal council, is a widely known and well respected law firm that represents a number of other districts as well. Hungerford and associates said the board acted within the law. Maybe Ron could post his law degree as a link, then we could compare it with Hungerfords, and make an informed decision as to who to believe.

On the bright side, if Ron continues to believe that the updated board was formed illegally and holds no authority, then maybe he’ll stop attending meetings. Because, after all, in his eyes they’re not really meetings attended by not really boardmembers. With the price of fuel these days, who in thier right mind would drive to the school to attend a meeting that wasn’t really taking place?

On Jun 8, 5:00 AM, Big Picture wrote:

Still waiting Bartoldus

On Jun 8, 7:10 AM, Ron wrote:

At least some of us are using our names so we know who is blogging with integrity according to Matt.

The school policy does not specifically address that there is no prohibition in rescinding a resignation. The school policy has no timeframe for rescinding a resignation. Is it lawful to misinterpret or change a school policy without a motion and majority vote by the board in an open board meeting? It is not lawful to misrepresent something that is not written in the school policy. This policy should be more specific so this issue does not happen again.

According to the Jewell School policy Allen Foster terminated his service on 5-20-08 and Cathy Rozinek terminated her service on 5-21-08. Did Cathy Rozinek rescind her resignation before the special board meeting on 6-2-08? Have you seen a date on her letter to extend her resignation or is this all about according to Jerry Jones? Which law or school policy specifically states that a member can lawfully rescind a resignation before the board declares the vacancy at its next regular meeting?

According to Jewell Interim Superintendent Jerry Jones school board member Allen Foster took back his resignation this week and Cathy Rozinek changed hers to take effect June 30, rather than the day after the election.
Our deputy clerk should have known the importance of stamping and dating such important documents.
It is not according to what Jerry Jones thinks or has said. We need to follow the laws and school policies. If school policies need to be changed then do it lawfully!

Hungerford and associates said the board acted within the law. Is this according to Jerry Jones or Carrie Bartoldus. Did any of you actually speak with Nancy Hungerford or are you merely repeating something that might or might not be true? Would anybody think for a second that Hungerford and Associates would say that the board did not act lawfully? Who is paying whom?

Matt wrote
“On the bright side, if Ron continues to believe that the updated board was formed illegally and holds no authority, then maybe he’ll stop attending meetings. Because, after all, in his eyes they’re not really meetings attended by not really boardmembers. With the price of fuel these days, who in thier right mind would drive to the school to attend a meeting that wasn’t really taking place”?

The school board meetings have had illegal issues for years and you should know that being who you are. Someone needs to hold the school board accountable and maybe that is my legal responsibility to attend meetings. The majority of you grave on gossip instead of the truth.

Matt could you please answer these questions?

Was there a 24-hour notice as required by law for the special board meeting to be held on 6-9-08? Maybe it was not required because the meeting really is not going to take place!

Generally the time frame for written school board minutes of all public board meetings should not exceed 3 weeks. Have you seen any written minutes for any meetings after 4-21-08?
I know some of you will continue to say that the Jewell school board has never violated any Oregon laws or school policy.

On Jun 8, 8:42 AM, Matt wrote:

Ron, just a few comments.

“The school board meetings have had illegal issues for years and you should know that being who you are.” Are you referring to my service on the School Board?
“Someone needs to hold the school board accountable and maybe that is my legal responsibility to attend meetings.” I didn’t know we had a legal responsibilty to attend meetings. I missed the Nov. meeting,gosh, I hope I don’t get arrested. “The majority of you grave on gossip instead of the truth.” So, when you make a statement, its the truth and when someone else has a conflicting opinion, its gossip? “Was there a 24-hour notice as required by law for the special board meeting to be held on 6-9-08? Maybe it was not required because the meeting really is not going to take place!” I was informed of the 6-9 meeting at the 6-2 meeting, thats like 168hr notice. “Would anybody think for a second that Hungerford and Associates would say that the board did not act lawfully? Who is paying whom?” I highly doubt that Hungerford and Assoc. can be bribed to give inaccurate legal advice. I’d never claim to be a lawyer, but even I know that an action like that could be grounds for disbarment. “Did any of you actually speak with Nancy Hungerford or are you merely repeating something that might or might not be true?” If Jerry Jones cited an opinion from Hungerford, in a public meeting, that wasn’t really what Hungerford said, then I think Hungerford would take action against him. Same goes for NCO. “Generally the time frame for written school board minutes of all public board meetings should not exceed 3 weeks. Have you seen any written minutes for any meetings after 4-21-08?” I’m sorry, I can’t answer this one. I was at the 4-21-08 meeting and I remember the content so I haven’t found it important enough to search out an account of a meeting that I was at, to read what I know already happened.

Please note that I did answer your Q’s, and since we’ve never met, I hope your not stereotyping me because of your opinion of my reletives service.

!!!!!!!disclaimer!!!!!!!
I’m using this forum for debate purposes only. I have no interests in personal attacks. I’m becoming less and less interested in the past and more interested in moving our district forward in a positive manner.

On Jun 8, 8:42 AM, cdgoldfinch wrote:

Then post your email addresses so we can verify your names then

On Jun 8, 9:07 AM, Ron wrote:

Matt wrote, maybe Ron could post his law degree as a link, then we could compare it with Hungerfords, and make an informed decision as to who to believe.
What if I stated that I have more years of law degree or a higher degree then the Hungerfords could you make an informed decision as to whom to believe?
Follow the Oregon laws and School policies. Everything stated by Hungerfords is just an interpretation and not necessarily correct until proven in the court of law!
Maybe the Hungerfords have been misinformed and made a decision based on incorrect information.
The Jewell School board should be glad that I am holding them accountable at the local level. I could at anytime consider sending proof to higher authorities over illegal issues.
I have never ask for a dime for my services, what is the school district charged for legal services with Hungerfords?
I could list policies that are vague or misleading and illegal meetings that could be corrected quite easily with a little comprehension from the school board members.
When will everyone start working together for the sake of the KIDS.

On Jun 8, 9:09 AM, Scanning wrote:

Matt, you have from the beginnings been so concerned with Who’s Who. Who is better you or resident/bigpicture? Resident and Bigpicture got something going with this and you just add fuel to the fire. Carrie was trying to get comments back on track with the article topic. From experience in dealing with who’s who you miss the point.
On Jun 7, 9:27 PM Matt stated, “I was scanning the blogs and his bones of contention seem to be Ann S. and LNG”. Matt in his own words is stating what this individual is focusing on, that being LNG and a person of influence there ( Ann S.? ). No where in this statement by Matt does he say Mark was blogging on the Jewell School issue yet he was wondering. Remember it also appears that Matt scanned blog input to come to this conclusion. With all this appearing to be so clear in the mind of Matt he is still hung up on linking this individual to Jewell School concerns.
We all get a little cookoo at times. I am scratching my head on this one. But the up side is cookoo birds do provide a form of entertainment, if you do not have one just need something mimicking one. Downside is respecting the wish of Carrie to reduce the volume of thread disruption. Please drop The Who, listen to the bands music when you get hung up.

On Jun 8, 10:50 AM, Resident wrote:

Ron,
So maybe the first thing the new school board should do is hold an executive session to discuss how grateful they are for your free legal services, and then vote in public session of course to retain you over the Hungerford law firm. As a community member I would only support this after you have shown proof of an english 101 class. While you’ve been out making ridiculous accusations of school boards here, past and present, the work continues to get done.

On Jun 8, 11:41 AM, Judgment wrote:

“ So for the sake of all intelligent life left in Jewell after all this nonsense...stop making judgements where you have no experience, and support the administration and school board that’s left “. RESIDENT, who do you think quoted that one on this thread? Three tries and first two do not count. * * * Also note the spelling of judgements in this quote from previous statement. That error is no big deal to me but maybe to you? The great English 101 mind ought to address and correct this.
“ While you’ve been out making ridiculous accusations of school boards here, past and present, the work continues to get done.” Who quoted this one? Hint, Jun 8, 9:50 AM comment on this thread. Notice that word ridiculous? Could this be in a class of judgmental thought. Certainly, any reasonable thinking mind would.

On Jun 8, 6:17 PM, hhhhmmmm wrote:

I am not sure what is happening with our community but one thing is for certain that if we don’t start working TOGETHER for the common greatness of our kids nothing is going to get accomplished. It is very funny to me the people that get on here and preach about what the board has done right and what it has done wrong when several of the “bloggers” kids don’t even follow school rules. Whether or not you agree with the rules or not you should encourage you kids to respect the rules and follow them. Or if the kids want the rules changed go about it the correct way to try to work together to get things changed. If people would learn to compermise we would get a lot further in this world. Another thing those of you that do not live in this community have no right to complain about how are district spends money. You choose not to live here. We want our kid to have great options maybe if back years ago all districts managed their money a little better then schools wouldn’t be where they are today. So punish Jewell for making proper investments and not spending years ago, but now that Jewell chooses to spend lets put them down.

On Jun 8, 7:41 PM, Resident wrote:

hhhhmmmm,
Other people have every right to complain about how our district spends money, this district gets a large amount of timber revenue, if people out here could value the larger concept of education in and outside Jewell we could work with other districts to share what we have and they with us. People on school boards need to care about education in Clatsop County, and the State of Oregon, not just here. Jewell receives much more than other districts in this state, and are being watched closely. The current budget is responsible and well thought out, and transparent. Tough to work together when you have community members turning this board and the past board into the ethics commission for her interpretation of the law, for one example. The harassment will not stop as long as they have outlets to use, and don’t have to pay money to do it.

On Jun 8, 8:21 PM, Earth to Mr 101 wrote:

RESIDENT, make up your mind. You just stated Jun 8, 6:41 PM “Tough to work together when you have community members turning this board and the past board into the ethics commission for her interpretation of the law” Members is plural and in the same sentence you refer to her, singular. Are you not the 101 expert ?

On Jun 8, 9:21 PM, Ron wrote:

The current budget has allocated 600K to acquisition & construction, but there is no itemization of where this money might be spent. What might be acquired or constructed now that the school is built? This is ridiculous, so the board will spend it and approve it later and be transparent. Why not put all the money in a contingency fund and according to Jerry Jones, authorize spending what ever when ever and the school board will follow the chain of command and approve the expenses at the end of the year.

Remember if the school board refuses to work with the community at the local level there are other options like the ethics commission.
People on the school board need to care about communication first and foremost. Good communication is to listen and also be heard. How can the current school board care about education if they cannot communicate with students, teachers and parents?
The school board represents whom? The registered voters that elected them. Now we have appointments to make and will the school board choose people that fit there pattern and follow the chain of command. We need to remember why we just had the recall.
The voice of the people is to have a different makeup of school board members and good communication skills
Resident, would the executive session to be held tomorrow as stated in the agenda be legal or illegal? If I can prove that the executive session if held as outlined in the agenda is illegal, would you make a public apology that I have not been making ridiculous accusations of school boards here, past and present. Maybe you get off on slandering people and you clearly do not understand the ORS laws.

On Jun 8, 9:25 PM, Ron wrote:

Resident
The apology should be done with your real name just like I have used my real name.

On Jun 8, 10:09 PM, Shelby wrote:

I would be very interested in how Ron can “prove” that the executive session “as outlined in the agenda” is illegal.

Maybe Ron gets off on slandering people since he’s saying a lawyer, Nancy Hungerford, is wrong in stating that because no board met to accept the resignations then the school board members could rescind them.

Jerry Jones is the LEGAL clerk for the school board. What does that mean, Mr. Lawyer Ron? What does that give him the authority to do?

People are not guilty until proven innocent. This is still America, even in the fog. Unless you can PROVE that Jones manipulated letters or the certification of the ballots (or your outlandish contention that the elections clerk delayed in getting the results of certification to the proper people) then everyone is INNOCENT.

You tell me why people were recalled. When I asked people why they recalled I was told: 1) I don’t like Ann, she’s too big for her britches 2) Karl shouldn’t have turned on Seeley 3) Ann shouldn’t have voted for LNG 4) Ann’s acting like a big shot and she shouldn’t have been so mean to John 5) With Ann and Karl gone there’s a better chance of getting John back 6) I was told the budget isn’t right and this is the highest I have ever seen it

Not a single person said “I voted to recall Ann and Karl because they didn’t ‘communicate’.” How do you communicate to people who don’t show up to meetings, while the same people show up spouting the same questions without listening to answers? How do you communicate when its the people who were lying and got the budget into the mess in the first place? The budget LOOKS so high because for the first time EVERYTHING is being placed on it of sliding it in as the year goes by.

For being honest, open and forthright you crucified them, the wrong people, and I guarantee you John Seeley is laughing his ass off at the dupes that live in Jewell.

On Jun 9, 6:36 AM, Been watching wrote:

Shelby,
The puppets did their job in this recall, which was a huge mistake, you said it all so well I have nothing to add.

On Jun 9, 7:51 AM, The Public wrote:

Shelby, I read the comments and no where do I see anything unprofessional in the way he addresses the law firm or representative you refer to . Also, stating a possible wrong or right is not slander especially in the legal field. As far as right or wrongs go, any balanced mind is aware of the fact that lawyers present different views by serving the best interests of their client. In our modern society we have legal work going on before our eyes, court room TV. Two sides are quite opposite the majority of the time and yet there is an outcome and they go home. In real life a lot of times the legal representatives that battle rights and wrongs from opposite views go to lunch together.

The big question you could help the community with is shining some light on who the legal representation mentioned in this thread is really serving. When you shine some light in this direction you might truly help the community understand why so many serious issues are boiling on the surface. I’ll dangle some food for your thoughts or hopefully clarification, seems to me a word was just used in this sentence that is a theme of this thread. This thread starts with the mention of statements from an e-mail by Nancy Hungerford, with the Hungerford Law Firm. Is this the same firm and also the same representative of the firm that has been the primary legal voice for the Jewell School District before and after the Seeley era? From our experience in Jewell the legal representation is approved by the board correct? The Key thing to shine some light on here, is the firm chosen by the board a very important decision to make and to clarify who this firm truly serves? The board members voted on or off, the resigned or unresigned board members all have had one of the most important duties of making sure they have legal help representing the best interests of the public they serve. The board also has a most important task of choosing an administrator that the legal advice works closely with to make sure the best interests to the public are served. Seems to me the legal representation mentioned in this thread has had an unenviable task of serving this districts conflicts before and after the Seeley era if it is one and the same. The outcome of a scenario such as this might truly present some fog, but most likely not the firm to blame since they are serving the public by what chain of command? Is this chain of command to blame for the legal directions they want the firm to direct the public?

“Come on all you people that were so lax at attending the policy updates! What does the NEW Jewell policy say on resigning from the school board?” Shelby remember this statement? Can you also answer this one for the public?

On Jun 9, 8:51 AM, Ron wrote:

Jewell School District #8 6-9-08

Mr. Jerry Jones;

The notice requirements for an executive session are the same as for non-executive session meetings, but additionally they must provide the statutory justification for holding an executive session.
ORS 192.640(2) specifies that if an executive session is to be the exclusive basis of a meeting, the notice is to state the specific provision authorizing executive session. While the statute requires advance notice of executive session matters, there are instances where the executive session is called during the course of a regular meeting without previous notice of the executive session. The law allows such a practice. ORS 192.660(1). The statutory basis for an executive session called during a regular meeting must be specified before the executive session begins, however.
According to the agenda for 6-9-08 the Jewell school board is having a special board meeting and a separate executive session. The agenda also says, that the board will not come back to the special board meeting to take action.
If the executive session were held during the special board meeting, it would be part of the special board meeting.
Was there proper public notice for the special board meeting?
Was there proper public notice for the executive session?
The executive session if held after the special board meeting would be in violation of notice requirement ORS 192.640(2)
I hereby request documentation to prove that the notice requirements were met for the special board meeting and the separate executive session to be held on 6-9-08.

ORS 192.660(1) is for emergency issues as I stated at the regular board meeting on 5-19-08.
If you disregard this information, I will send an appeal to the Ethics Commission. You should be aware that after a claim is established the burden of proof becomes the school districts burden of proving they were lawful.

Shelby stated,
“Jerry Jones is the LEGAL clerk for the school board. What does that mean, Mr. Lawyer Ron? What does that give him the authority to do”? I guess to continue to have illegal meetings because the school board does not comprehend the Oregon laws and school policies. The definition LEGAL clerk does not mean that according to Jerry Jones it is the law. Who on the school board is holding Jerry Jones accountable for proper meetings?
What legal degree is needed to follow simple conflicts of interest, proper meeting notices, proper authorization of executive sessions and etc?
I wonder how much money and time will be spent with the current complaints with the Ethics Commission? This money could have been used for education, but because people are so arrogant and have chosen not to listen to the community we have a complete failure at hand.

On Jun 9, 9:01 AM, wondering wrote:

How does one “follow simple conflicts of interest”?

On Jun 9, 10:00 AM, Hemp rope for sale in Jewell? wrote:

Was there proper public notice for the special board meeting? On May 31st both the June 2nd and the June 9th meetings were announced on NCO and on June 2nd the June 9th meeting was announced on NCO. May 30th The Daily Astorian announced the special meeting of June 2nd. On June 3rd the Daily Astorian announced the special June 9th meeting.

The reminder of the special meeting of June 9th has been on the bottom of the last two agendas. The online agenda for June 9th has been available for at least five-seven days, and has had the executive session announced. Since it has been openly discussed here for over 72 hours I don’t think you are going to get any traction whatsoever with anyone much less the Ethics Commission that there wasn’t enough “public announcement” of either special meetings nor executive sessions.

Ron said: “There is no Oregon state law about “until the vacancy is declared the resignation can be rescinded”. This is mandated by school policy not the Oregon law. If the school policy stated that “until the vacancy is declared the resignation could be rescinded” this would actually be lawful.” And this is where it shows you are NOT a lawyer because legally EVERYTHING is lawful unless a law specifically says it is UNLAWFUL.

On Jun 9, 10:16 AM, outside looking in wrote:

Ron,
The failure was the recall, the failure before that was no prosecution of the prior administration, the failure before that was that a child was abused, the abuser is on probation for that and much of the Jewell community supports the abuser, what a sick little place. Your absolutely right there is failure here, most of all Jewell and the justice system failed a child, glad I live somewhere else, I couldn’t stand to live somewhere where the majority has such a limited view of what is right and what is wrong. For you to continue to babble on here about school board wrongdoing is ridiculous, from what I’ve read about your community over the last couple of years Mr. Meier and Ann Samuelson stood up for what’s right, they cared about that child, not many others did...they have courage something few seem to understand the meaning of in Jewell. I have seen Mr. Meier at the fair helping kids for a number of years now, and Ann is known for her advocacy of children, families, and mental health advocacy across the state of Oregon. I could go on, but why share when most of you don’t care.

On Jun 9, 10:37 AM, The Public wrote:

The Jun 9, 9:00 AM comment appears to be an attempt at some creative spin on a small portion the whole picture of holding deferent types of public meetings. Possibly you have failed at providing something of constructive value. But the agenda notes and online notes you make reference to were presented many hours ago and might not fall into a time frame requirement for public notice. I bet its pretty clear what that time frame is in the public laws and I do not see previous commenter quoting what it is. Too early is too early and too late is too late for public announcement, there is a reason for this. Laws are written with an attempt to reach the most possible amount of people and that a public meeting is taking place. Remember people forget, pretty simple why too early is too early to reach your goal. In reference to too late , I think most have that one figured out. With executive sessions it appears pretty clear that you have to deal with some other added cautions before handling public affairs in that form of meeting. One could easily come to the conclusion that the law states you better be on the ball for the purpose of executive sessions.

On Jun 9, 10:46 AM, Wishing wrote:

Outside Looking in, it appears your comments are related to a previous thread that already covered your issues. Please open another thread if you want to continue that old news. The present board status is a very important and current issue. Respecting the wishes of Carrie and its a wise choice of hers.

On Jun 10, 8:42 AM, Ron wrote:

Two Jewell School board members were officially recalled through the vote of the community. Now Karl Meier has been allowed to interview for a position that is vacant on the Jewell School Board.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see the school board reappoint Karl Meier. Is this ethically right that the majority voted to recall and now the school board becomes arrogant in regards to the voice of the community?
If this is lawful then please explain why there is an Oregon Recall law? Can the Jewell school board immediately reappoint a recalled board member?

Our school board attitude now is EVERYTHING is lawful unless a law specifically says it is UNLAWFUL. This is a complete failure in working together with the community to resolve our differences.

On Jun 10, 9:23 AM, The Quorum wrote:

Seems to me the Jewell Quorum is showing all things are possible. Kinda reminds me of the stories of the activity in the boys locker rooms. If they could get away with it then it was not long before another joker was snapping a towel at a bare backside? Remember the stories or the real deal, it took two and it was not long before the receiver was delivering a snap and in the end they both laughed while enjoying their bonded friendship. Just the thought or attempting this type of activity could be exciting and who knows what the end result will be, we all need some entertainment. Could it just be for fun and just a bluff that the two get back together like the good ole days? No harm no foul?

On Jun 10, 10:30 AM, Proud American wrote:

It isn’t the school board’s attitude, Ron, it is the American Attitude. It is what made this country unique and why people come here. It is called FREEDOM. It is what people fought for and by damn we aren’t going to give it up because it is a minor inconvenience for you to understand.

You don’t have to follow the capricious whims of random groups of people (even if they happen to be a majority - like a lynch mob down south) if those whims are not the law.

You bet, the person that was recalled can be appointed. Then what is the point of a recall? Sometimes the point of a law is to show how lousy the law by showing the consequences of it.

On Jun 10, 10:35 AM, not really wrote:

“Quorum,” you obviously needed another lesson since you chose to ignored the towel snapping of Eady, Thompson & Jacobsen. Now aint that a picture you wish you could erase? eeeeewwwwwwww

On Jun 10, 11:05 AM, The Quorum wrote:

“Not Really”, might your comment of Eady, Thompson & Jacobsen be considered a thrust and heading the topic of this thread in what direction? The present Quorum is the topic? BTW, I get the girl thing and probably they do also with less amusement.

On Jun 11, 7:12 AM, FREEDOM wrote:

“Proud American”, you are careless using your opinions in speaking for the American people, but glad you are free to speak your mind. Freedom comes at a tremendous cost, possibly the most important element ensuring freedom for all is RESPECT of that freedom. American people are free to make laws which they do by who they vote into office or by how their vote which is directly tied to a law. You stated, “Sometimes the point of a law is to show how lousy the law by showing the consequences of it.” This sounds more like rebellion and disrupting the voice of the people. Seems to me your bone is about the right (freedom) of the people to recall and you should be more professional in addressing the people about your ambitions. Heres my take on your attitude of Freedom and RECALLS. I think most Americans that are clear of mind and love freedom would find it very offensive that that you think its pretty lousy that they have this FREEDOM. Freedom to RECALL is the only true voice that can make a big difference when its comes to government powers trying to bowl them over. These powers required by law have a BOARD just like the Jewell School has to ensure the public has a voice expressing their FREEDOM.
IN SUMMARY IT SEEMS VERY CLEAR YOU ARE SPEAKING IN TERMS OF THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF FREEDOM FOR THE WHOLE PUBLIC and more concerned about your freedom to do whatever you like, please do this in private, JEWELL SCHOOL is a public entity.

On Jun 15, 7:48 PM, battlescarred wrote:

To whoever it is who calls themself “outside looking in”, I can only say that I am very happy for you. Not only do you live where people are apparently far superior in their ability to discern moral issues as compared to those of us who reside in Jewell, but you also apparently have never lived in the presence of fear, oppression and abuse. If you had been paying attention a few years back, there was a lot of hubbub about John Seeley and his actions and attitudes, with a lot of people taking sides. So all of these things, including the abuse of a child, wasn’t something that all of us just said ok to submissively.
Moreover, you have apparently never lived with the fear of retribution being meted out to your child attending school. I will not engage in an argument of whether or not these things happened, I am just stating that there were people who were fearful that their child would be targeted if they spoke out. It’s not right, but it’s human and very predictable given the circumstances.
In all fairness, not all who live here were aware of ongoing abuse, so to label us all as guilty or without conscience is shortsighted, to say the least, and just plain, well, abusive. So don’t be seduced by the ease with which you can stand on the sidelines and point a parsimonious finger.
Personally, I think you might as well live here. If you can pass judgement from afar with such impunity, you might as well live here and reap your harvest. Walk a mile in our shoes before being so quick to judge.

On Jun 15, 11:17 PM, Early Bird wrote:

battlescarred, well said my friend. I do not know who in the he-- you are but your words are of common sense, thought and care for us who are battling the oppressions of those who ignorantly feed the powers that do not give a sh-- and spill their sh-- like they do. They are not fooling us and its time to for all of us to get up. This is your wake up call and you better take it serious.

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