2 On Nov 28, 05:18 pm, Tryan Hartill wrote:

Interesting stats. I highly doubt there are totally accurate and a different group like Reason or Cato, would probably have completlely different numbers, but even if the number is more like 5 per day, it’s still quite a bit.

But what if they were not “illegal”? What if the U.S. REALLY had open borders like the article states? Also going by this, there are 15 million illegals and they commit 12 murders. There are 285 million “legals”, if there are more than 250 murders in the U.S. per day total (I would guess it is near that), it means that “legal” citizens kill at a larger rate than illegals.

But the worst part about this article is that you could substitute many words to cause alarm.

How many murders do blacks commit per day? How many murders do men commit a day? How many people use guns to commit murder per day?
The numbers would be outrageous compared to the one stated in the article.

How about this one.

Males are 9 times more likely to commit murder and males that have driven drunk in the last year are 40 times (pulling numbers out of my ace here, just pretend they are accurate) more likely to commit murder and males who have Mary J in their system (have smoked in the last 4 weeks) are 30 times more likely to commit murder.

Someone could put all these stats together and cause some serious alarm and draw up policy.

New policy could state that if you are caught driving drunk and you are a male and you have smoked in the last month you are “X” number of times more likely to commit murder, so you must serve ten years because the numbers state you are (fill in the number) “more likely” to commit murder over other people.

“Oh…so you are one of THOSE PEOPLE”. “You break the law and will probably commit an awful crime….you must pay”

4 On Nov 29, 07:34 am, The Guy Who Writes This wrote:

Too bad the Native Americans didn’t have an immigration policy when all those murdering Europeans flodded the shores.

6 On Nov 30, 04:06 pm, Tryan Hartill wrote:

You are just not consistent on this issue.

According to you an illegal immigrant is always “one of those people” and the Govmint doesn’t do enough to stop them. But people that do certain “illegal acts”, that happen to be citizens, the Govmint does too much.

BTW Google is all over this post. My site must have been cached at about 10 this morning and this post has received about 35 hits already.

So all you Googlers what is your opinion?

8 On Nov 30, 10:05 pm, THartill wrote:

Well for having no idea what I’m talking about, you sure came up with a long-winded reply.

So if it isn’t going to enforce those laws … why not go “whole hog” and disband the INS?

Sounds good.

I doubt the the writers of the Constitution would agree with our immigration laws on the books anyway.

10 On Dec 1, 10:06 am, Walter Richards wrote:

My “I have no idea what you’re talking about” referred to you saying I wasn’t consistent. Then I addressed your particulars.

But I still have no idea what you meant by saying I wasn’t consistent.

12 On Dec 4, 12:55 pm, Carrie Bartoldus wrote:

So much inconsistent, undocumented and uncollaborated, BS litters this supposed “news article” not the least of which the author of it, himself, is a pompous, minority basher, Mr. Joseph Farah.

Thank God we have a Constitution, eh, and the fact everyone is innocent until proven guilty. As the articles I wrote (http://www.northcoastoregon.com/2006/05/05/ImmigrationandUndocummentedWorkersPart1IllegalDeportationUSCitizensofMexicanDescent) proved, over one million people were kidnapped from the United States in the 1930s. That these people are now, finally, returning, and claiming what is rightfully theirs, is for the courts to decide. Whether or not they are “illegal” is not up to a vigilante citizen squad to declare. They are called “undocumented because they are UNDOCUMENTED” their documents stripped from them, ILLEGALLY by an ILLEGAL government

abduction. I believe, generally, this is what Tryan meant by your being inconsistint. One post you are empathetic to government intrusion and the next you want more. It appears you don’t want government to intrude on the white guy but on the brown one its no big deal. But I could just be reading my own interpretation into it, not Tryan’s.

“Illegals” murder 12 a day? I say everyone else should leave, then, because our murder rate would be a lot lower if only “illegals” lived here. You can spin any statistic to say anything you want.

14 On Jan 30, 10:59 am, shiloh wrote:

Towards the end of the story it is revealed that the government doesn’t track the involvement of illegal aliens in the various crime categories so there is no data to back up anything in this story. Piss poor reporting I would say when all you are doing it spinning some made up numbers and tortured statistics.

16 On Feb 24, 11:03 pm, Robin Hillard wrote:

There is no question about it, illegal aliens are not good people,if they were so good why are they breaking our laws,simply coming here illegaly.Hence the word illegal aliens.GOOD PEOPLE WAIT THERE TURN.. Deporting these illegals would cost the tax payers way to much money,if we would only enforce our laws,with additional penalties on employers who employ the illegals, Like jailment, not tiny fines, and do away with our socialistic welfare system, the “good people” ILLEGALS, would have to self deport and hope they take there school dumbing kids with them.So if anybody out there wants these people here FINE!!! you take them in, teach them English, feed them ,cloth them, school them, pay insurance on them,you pay them, because Im getting sick of paying for these DIRT BAGS.OH the money we would save, we could have the greatest border walls in the world, nothing but the best for the greatest Nation on Earth. This goes for ALL illegal aliens not just the “White Skinned” ones. “Undocumented Workers” politiclay correct For illegal aliens, give me a break!!! “Undocumented Lawbreakers” As for these illegal aliens commiting crimes,why is there even a debate, they are simply breaking our laws just being here,makes anyone here illegally a criminal, this smashes anyones argument on whether or not they are commiting crimes. This is simply rational Thought, something some people are unable to do.

18 On Jun 16, 06:34 pm, Bob Daniels wrote:

The point is really this: If they weren’t here illegally, than x number of citizens would still be alive. X number of citizens wouldn’t be raped, robbed, beat up, etc. 84 hospitals in California would still be open. The buildings and streets wouldn’t be full of graffetti and garbage. A third of our prison population would be gone.

My people stopped at the border, signed in, learned English, became citizens and led productive lives. You don’t see Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Polish, German or others hanging around the Home Depot looking for work. Gee, I wonder why?

We are getting the ignorant, country, scum of South America who want to be IN America, and not BE Americans. They disrespect our established traditions and make little attempt to integrate into our country. And don’t try to make this into a racist or “white” thing…it is an American thing.

Go back to Mexico, we’ll mow our own lawns.

20 On Jun 27, 09:36 am, John Smith wrote:

And by the way Magdelena, sounds like you are pretty intolerant of “white people” I find the end of your argument really interesting where you say the white race should be taken off the planet. Wow.

22 On Sep 21, 08:03 pm, shaking inmy boots wrote:

How would you go about “proving” they were illegals? Would you wait for the trial? Do you think we should all carry papers on us at all times? Who should have the right to stop us on the streets and ask us to produce those papers? Should we profile, go by the way people “look” or just start slitting throats? Its because of people like YOU that our founding fathers were afraid of giving the common, uneducated, man a vote AND left the borders open. You’re not even real, no one hates as much as you pretend to or is as ignorant as you portray. You’re not from around here, go “home,” your bunker’s waiting.

24 On Sep 22, 06:22 am, auntie wrote:

I am totally with you BVM. Obsolete !

26 On Sep 22, 10:51 am, Bunny Von Munchausen wrote:

Hilliard, you wouldn’t know anti-American if it bit you in the ass.

Why?

Because you ain’t qualified.

Koombiya, mthrfkr

28 On Sep 22, 03:23 pm, Robin Hillard wrote:

I love it, attack, attack, how bright could you be, fine choice of words,Im literally a mthrfkr, thanks. Oh! BTW do you have Munchausen syndrome? Is that just a coincidence or is that the whole reason for your extreme outbursts? This is the mthrfkr, I think Im going to change my name to that, its kinda catchy. Dont you see Im giving you some attention, part of your disorder says thats what you seek,, is it helping? KOOMBIYA ,you lovely person, you,, I hope you have a fine evening as well, you have to be getting better by now. More yet, Okay, hold on now,what if you are faking all this and you actually agree with me, that would make me look dumb and you really smart, but your smart anyways and a very bright person it shows in your posts, well that otta do for now, tune in again for more attention later. By by Bunny;wink,wink!!

30 On Sep 22, 05:55 pm, prarie pup wrote:

Tear down the borders.
How can America and our people really be free if we’re behind a barbed wire fence? That’s not freedom and it damn sure isnt security in the modern age.
Besides, historically, the downfall of the great nations and empires always begins from within, not from across some border-which is generally some vague line on a political map and not a genuine geographic barrier such as an ocean or a mountain range, etc.

32 On Sep 22, 09:56 pm, prarie pup wrote:

My “mind set” isn’t any of your goddamn business, so you can forget about cross examining me, Sport.
If you want to explore or define someone’s mindset then start on your own.

34 On Sep 23, 06:01 pm, me wrote:

If people listened to the drivel of “move to another country if you don’t like this one” our country would have never been created. When the founding fathers created our constitution and fought the war of independence they were the minority, the tories greatly outnumbered them but were not as passionate, nor as lucky.

The founding fathers did not close our borders, our constitution does name a national language. The Laws that you love so much Hillard were repeatedly violated throughout the 1920’s and 1930s, kidnapping over 1.5 million legal US citizens and illegally transporting them into southern Mexico and then closing the border so they couldn’t return as the depression scourged the country. Those 1.5 million people and their descendants continue to be US citizens. That is the LAW, Hillard. Another principle of our law is innocent until proven guilty. Until that person has gone to trial and is convicted/deported for being an illegal alien, they are innocent.

It is always “the others” whose fault it is that we are in whatever current mess it is we are in. How very convenient that we will always have “others” to blame.

Be a man, Robin, we are a strong country, the strongest in the world. Its time we stepped up to the plate and said, “Yep, you know what, sometimes we fuck up and we’re sorry about that and we’ll pay for it because we have the dough and we’re accountable for our actions. But you know, the only way you really know you’re alive is if you’re fucking up.” I take pride in the fact that we are the only place in the world where so many people from so many diverse places are trying to make a go of it. I’m not going anywhere, Robin. I’m staying right here and every fence you put up I’m tearing down. I have a better education then you, more money then you, more children then you and I’m more right then you. I win.

PS> You shouldn’t talk about other people’s addiction habits!

36 On Sep 23, 06:59 pm, Robin Hillard wrote:

Well ,me, you seem to be a little more talkative, you must be a highly educated person,I would love to see your proof of these citizens that were deported.I have a Degree in history and In my research of what you described, I have found no such proof of those south of the border citizens, you are a very foolish person in my humble opinion.I also never said I love all the laws we have but I follow them to the best of my ability,and you tell me what law makes these people citizens anyways, is it in our constitution or a law which is it, come on Mr. Brain, you tell me, I do not know where the hell you get your info. The United States is a very powerful Country, you do have that correct. Mr. Brain, What the hell “we’re sorry about that and we’ll pay for it” Pay for what? You pay for IT,after all, you have more money, a better education and hell you have more children than me,seems like you can save the planet you fuck’n idiot. Oh by the way diversity only works in plant life not humans, Mr. Brain and believe me, you would die a slow painful death in your futile attempt to tear down my fence. I WIN!!!!!!! PS; You be A man or WOman and use your real name, me, get educated and I never make fun of peoples addictions, hell Im addicted to jerking off, Im not a hipicrit.

38 On Sep 24, 01:13 am, me wrote:

Diversity works in human life, Robin, quit being a racist nit. The fact that you’re alive and living here proves it works. Do you think you’d be alive and living here today without the combined effort of all humankind’s sacrifices and discoveries, without all of the people living in the USA’s combined effort? Without the black man’s forced slavery we wouldn’t have the economic power base we have today. The founding fathers stated that the only way the country could endure was through slavery, abhorrent as it was, in order for our agriculture to flourish and support our nation as we broke away from not only England’s control but also its financial backing. Our plantations couldn’t afford to pay these people, so it is to their slavery that we owe our independence and financial stability. Literally, they carried this nation on their backs for its first almost full century. Are you man enough to thank them, Robin?

Try researching a little bit harder, I even found an old article on this site that referenced the kidnappings of the late ‘20s and early ‘30s. You’re the history major, you could even get into your alma mater’s library and get the real articles so you don’t have to use wikipedia. As a history major I’m sure you wouldn’t lower yourself to using it in the first place.

What law gives them citizenship? Come on, take a good look at the constitution. If you are born a citizen your children are citizens and their children are citizens. If you are a naturalized citizen you stay a citizen unless you are legally stripped of your citizenship. YOU have a degree in history? Are you going to get your research out of the cracker jacks box, too?

Let me see, one person here wants to slit the throats of anyone who wants to help anyone who they think of as illegal aliens and you want me to die a slow and painful death as I tear down your fence of ignorance. No thanks, I don’t think it would be very healthy to write who I am. Maybe I’ll just wink at you tomorrow, though.

40 On Sep 24, 05:30 pm, Robin Hillard wrote:

To prairie pup and me until you come out and tell us who you are, you are all living a lie. To the pup your a swede well Im an American and to you sweet little me I owe nothing to the slaves as none of us do, why, well I have never owned one and I doubt you have, living in past and learning from the past are two different things and you need to get out of the past, which article, there are so many, filled with half truths and mostly lies, none of which state actual documentation, why, because these so called citizens had no documents they were ILLEGAL Come on tell me your names quit living in the shadows. PS pup Im quite sure you have a rather large white ASS and probably living on a social program, from sitting on your fat lazy white ass.

42 On Sep 24, 07:08 pm, me wrote:

Oh, you have almost shamed me into outing myself with your eloquent diatribe. Do keep it up, its so edifying from a degreed historian like yourself.

A debt owed is a debt owed. A man admits it whether its one day old or one month old. Whether its an education loan or a 50 year mortgage. Its still owed. A debt of gratitude is always owed. Do you still owe Christ for His sacrifice? Or is that time limit up, too? Or did you never believe?

The fact that this country is so rich now is because it rode on those people’s backs for a century. Interest rates being what they are, the debt is still owed.

Be a man, Robin. Admit we are a super power, today, due to the slaves.

44 On Sep 25, 06:56 pm, Robin Hillard wrote:

Unwilling to come up with any facts, again. You two have to be the most intellectually dishonest yentas out in computer land, and again avoiding every question. Christ means absolutely nothing to me, there is another subject you can bitch at me about, and again, with no evidence, just calling me names, just shouting your idiotic beliefs, to make no point what so ever. But until you come out with your names you are nothing but bitchy yentas hiding in the shadows, just like your illegal buddies that live off our welfare system. PS I will accept your apology, Thanks! Oh for shits and giggles what kind of debt do we owe the slaves, money, gifts, more land, more welfare,more college funds, more hate crime bills,more civil rights, what do you suggest we do for the slaves who have long since died well over 100 years ago. I guess over 350,000 dead union soldiers never factored into your thinking of debt, eh! thats just a small price, what about the african tribes who kidnapped other members of tribes and sold slaves to the US, South America and Europe do they also owe something to the dead slaves, afterall we all have to take one for the team. GEEZ! So my question to you is, what shall the debt be, a simple question. But you cannot leave out the other coutries they all must be factored in, remember everybody had a part.

46 On Sep 25, 08:30 pm, me wrote:

Your debt is one of gratitude. Facts? You said you were the history major, I believed you. My bad. Why do you think slavery was allowed when the constitution was written? I will get your links for you. Please get the proof for me that “diversity only works in plant life not humans,” be factually specific, please, not anecdotal.

Slaves OWE something for the country finally doing the right thing in freeing them, which brought about the Civil War, which was about the economy? That’s “now we are even?”

No single person owes the descendents of the slaves. The nation owes them the debt, but per norm, it won’t pay that one either.

48 On Sep 26, 04:46 pm, Robin Hillard wrote:

Well “me” you have successfully dodged my questions and are unwilling to name yourself. Anything I say to you will always be Just racist, this has been fun, I hope that our name calling will end in the future and we can be alittle more civil. Thanks for the links suggestion, but I have my own personal library filled with the history of the constitution, slavery and the civil rights movements dating all the way back to 1875 and some as early as the late 1700s. Until I have answers from you, I will not entertain your questions. Thanks

50 On Sep 27, 03:34 am, J D wrote:

” I didn’t call you a racist. I said quit being a racist” When statements like this are made, the rest of your post seems to loose something. With that said, today I found out I was a racist. Yep, read it in the paper, twice. First in Kings and Cabbages, SAF pigeon-holed me. Then right under that Bob Herbert said that republicans are racist. I knew I was stepping out on limb when I registered 20 years ago. I thought I saw people just as that,people. I guess I was wrong , i’m a racist, I must be , I read it in the paper. Have a nice day.

52 On Sep 27, 06:16 pm, Robin Hillard wrote:

Well J D, you see every time you disagree or share a different opinion with wonky Libs they are first to spout racism,or my favorite “your intolerant” hey “me” I hope I do see ya face to face someday, I sense tension in your writing, do you really want to see me face to face it can be arranged, call me..wink, wink. Hey miner-oratty are you a white gay person with other mental disorders pretending to be a person of another color or the other way around. ” me” knows what to do if you are that interested do not blame me for others actions. Hey “me” I do not hate, I analyze, great research by the way, Geez you think you could come up with alot more out of the “1.5 million” keep it up, you might getr done by the next century . I can dodge with the best of them, It is pretty hard to Bullshit a Bullshitter isn’t// koombiya.. PS I just answered your quetions by the way, but Im sure your are smart enough to have figured that out afterall you guys are the smartest and brightest our Country could offer.

54 On Sep 28, 06:09 pm, Robin Hillard wrote:

Tish, Tish, As I hang my nose up in the air while I pass you by, you have gotten yourself in a real pickle now, I bet you spent all night coming up with those fancy words, just to show everyone how much smarter you are than I. I would use me but that word is already taken Oh by the way I waved at you today but you must not have seen me, there I go again, me is so catchy. Diversity sure is nice, isn’t. J D remember this, the loudest voices for tolerance are the most intolerant people, much like my little buddy”me”Koombiya

56 On Sep 29, 01:45 pm, Robin Hillard wrote:

Okay I did not mean you being in a pickle, nevermind, your writing stinks of intolerance for other peoples views because everything you believe seems to always be correct in your mind. Atleast my views on these particular subjects are scientific. I choose not to go into detail because it does piss you off. I do not have to give you any information and when you actually look these things up for yourself you will either learn and agree or pretend Im wrong and continue to do so. I cannot know for sure, so why bother! My beliefs have nothing to do with any of my responses, some of what I write, I may accept as being good, some not so much, but until science and original documintation finds something to contradict itself, I must believe it as being absolute. Even though I may agree or disagree. That is being tolerant and sensical PS this took me exactly 2 min 58 sec to write

58 On Sep 30, 10:34 am, Robin Hillard wrote:

prairie pup has got a pickle, in her or him, to be politically correct, you meat garage!

60 On Oct 16, 07:53 am, Jon Dana wrote:

let it die

62 On Oct 27, 08:19 pm, I need some KY Im tired of being dry humped wrote:

Point well taken, It is time for the AMERICAN people to start takeing over the problem, our Country does not work well with the DMV work ethic just imagine how a universal Healthcare system would work ,take a # and sit your ass down, Socialism will only exsist when Capitalism dominates and to all you fruits who think flooding our economy with illegal aliens is great, alot of cheap labor HA! Okay well an economy grows when there is a labor shortage, then wages go up,, flooding the labor pool is bad then wages go down simple economics 101 we do not need affordable housing we need family wage jobs illegal aliens do not just kill Americans they also destroy economies, just ask France and India oh and even China, they are all putting up walls to keep illegals out, just for that reason, you do not hear about that on CNNThats my Name don’t wear it out,, you fruits, and it does not take a rocket scientist to pick fruit and veggies

64 On Nov 25, 09:06 am, Patrick McGee wrote:

Best be praying a “North American Union” and “The Amero” is but an “Urban Legend” eh/huh/si?

Then again, you think it may be a good idea?

Mexico/Candian natural resources pooled with ours to one common use?

Can a “No Borders” culture assimilate(sp) to work harmoniously?

66 On Nov 25, 05:22 pm, I need some KY Im tired of being dry humped wrote:

Hey “Chimp” Pull out the race card,, you just lost! Your what our Country does not need.

68 On Nov 26, 09:08 pm, I need some KY Im tired of being dry humped wrote:

Yes as a matter fact KY is in charge some way,Believe it or not,So don’t bust my balls about, “needs”? Mr. Hugo jose marquez Chavez!

70 On Nov 27, 08:29 pm, I need some KY Im tired of being dry humped wrote:

Well chimp it looks like you told me off, I can probably bet you would never say that to my face, you friggen “meat locker”! “Yeah, that’s right.” You best be getting off your little wanna be Mexifried trip, “Hombre” Enough with that, now Im being serious, are you a registered voter, champ?

72 On Nov 27, 11:12 pm, happywiththe newcomers wrote:

On Sept 11, 2007 NBC online ran this story:
SAMPSON COUNTY, N.C. – On the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, students at one high school were not allowed to wear clothes with an American flag.

Under a new school rule, students at Hobbton High School are not allowed to wear items with flags, from any country, including the United States.

The new rule stems from a controversy over students wearing shirts bearing flags of other countries.

Gayle Langston said her daughter, Jessica, was told to remove her Stars and Stripes t-shirt.

“Today she wanted to wear her shirt, and I had to tell her no,” said Langston. “She didn’t like it at all because I knew it would get her in trouble. Of all days, 9/11, she could not wear her American Flag shirt.”

The superintendent of schools in Sampson County calls the situation unfortunate, but says educators didn’t want to be forced to pick and choose which flags should be permissible.

It was all flags and any flags, and at one school. The Mexican flag was also banned there. ALL flags. When you get hysterical and throw in urban legends and email forward trash-talk your racism is glaringly apparent. You think you couch it in safe words like patriotism but its not hidden, its there for all to see. Your problem is you don’t like it when you are treated the SAME, EQUAL, to everyone else. When you have lost your elite stature, your white skin giving you no more privilege than someone with brown. You scream that you are being denied rights. You aren’t being denied any rights. You are being denied unearned privilege. It sucks to think you deserve something and find out you don’t. But, you don’t. You don’t deserve to sit in the front of the bus, or get the best spots in colleges, or an internship or a loan, or a home in the best parts of town, just because you are white, or the right sect of Christianity.

This is what equality feels like. Get used to it.

74 On Nov 27, 11:47 pm, Champ wrote:

On Nov 27, 10:39 pm, leatherskull wrote:
Also, If being patriotic means being racist to you(Champ). Maybe you should read your American history again.
___________________________________________________________________________

Hmmm, no. I don’t think so. You see, I’m not the one who can’t tell the difference between patriotism and overt racism. It is, Leatherskull, who blurs those lines.

Now, why don’t you just drop your phoney ass patriotic KKK-WhitePride-Aryan Nations-NeoNazi bullshit, and quit lamely trying to “educate” us with your great knowledge of American history?

The truth will set you free, man.

76 On Nov 28, 09:25 pm, Champ wrote:

On Nov 28, 06:39 pm, Im being dry humped wrote:
illegal aliens do not have any rights in this country.
_________________________________________________________________________________

Oh? Really? Says who? You cant say, can you.
Well then, would you mind telling the class, in your own words, just what these lines mean to you?

“That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”

78 On Nov 28, 10:22 pm, leatherskull wrote:

Beginning Monday, the Oceanside Unified School District is banning all flags and patriotic clothing. According to school officials, some students are using the garments and flags to taunt classmates.

Some critics of the move are calling it a violation of free speech protections guaranteed by the Constitution.

The American Civil Liberties Union points to the landmark Supreme Court case Tinker v. Des Moines. In that case, school officials attempted to stop students who were protesting the Viet Nam War from wearing black armbands.

“The school has to be able to show a strong likelihood that there is going to material and substantial disruption of school, and if they don’t meet that standard, then they can’t censor student speech,” said Kevin Neenan of the ACLU.

School officials in Oceanside now say that flags—whether they are U.S. or Mexican or any other country’s—have now become a divider on campuses, saying that some students are using them to taunt other students

Keith Brentlinger displays the U.S. flag outside Hatter, Williams and Purdy, his Oceanside business.

“To me, it’s everything,” said Brentlinger “I mean, like I said—we truly live in the greatest country in the world.”

Brentlinger said he was shocked on Tuesday when marching immigration-reform protesters tore down the flag outside his business.

“Some of them just grabbed the flag, and pulled it off its aluminum pole, and it got ripped,” said Brentlinger.

Brentlinger told NBC 7/39 that he put up a new flag the next day.

“Some protesters drove up in their car and snagged the flag from our building and took off,” said Brentlinger. “I was extremely, extremely upset. I mean, it was just … insulting is the word.”

School officials are saying that the ban is just temporary and that they were just trying to prevent violence. They would not say how long the ban would be in effect.
(This was a news broadcast from nbc san diago, so you see it was not just one school it is across the nation. Also, see how they can tear up the american flag and get away with it but if we say no mexican flags we are racists)

(This next comment is from another couple in a different post, notice how they are legal immigrants and how insulting illegals are to them)

My wife and I are both European immigrants. We went to school to learn the constitution, learn English and took and passed the test to become LEGAL citizens. I joined the US Navy and served 30 years supporting freedom. Granting legal status to ILLEGAL aliens is a slap in OUR face – not to mention millions of others who immigrated LEGALLY and obtained citizenship LEGALLY though hard work and study! Besides that, how may of those ILLEGAL aliens are murderers, rapitsts, pedafiles, perverts? How many have Islamic ties? I guess I am dumb being a LEGAL immigrant. What is it that people don’t undertand about the word “ILLEGAL?

Ky is right, our southern border is our biggest problem. So when i say American I am referring to all Americans of any color, any race, even the LEGAL immigrants. Therefore it is a little difficult to point and holler racist. When i say Illegals I mean just that. If they would put enough work in becoming legal like that European couple we would not have these problems. As happywiththe newcomers wrote(you are being denied unearned privilege’s), I am speaking of the entire country. All americans are being denied their rights and privileges. Because I do not agree with illegal immigration and the negative impact it has you automatically assume i am white and therefore a racist. What if I am black, or Indian, or a legal immigrant. Calling someone a white racist when you have no idea who you are talking to might just turn the tables on you.

80 On Nov 28, 11:54 pm, happy with the newcomers wrote:

KY – You are a funny guy. I love this country. I am grateful as all hell to those slaves who carried this country on their backs for 250 years as we first became independent and then until we became economically solvent. A few years of Affirmative Action to make up for the centuries’ worth of privilege, jump on education and benefits of economically establishing ourselves in communities, we had on them is a debt I am more than happy to be a part of paying. Guess some of us were just raised to acknowledge our debts and pay them and some of us were raised to be perpetual victims blaming the less fortunate for all of our problems.

Name ALL of the hospitals that have had to close their doors because of the illegal aliens. And be careful because I can pretty much guarantee you that the few hospitals that failed were economically challenged long before the illegal aliens entered the picture. By far the illegal aliens pay more into the system then they are able to take out. In 2001 they paid 70.3 billion dollars in taxes and took out 42.9 billion in benefits (schooling and emergency health care and child health benefits. All else forbidden to illegals and those who “steal” social security cards are usually too frightened to use them to get anything from the government.

Be strong, don’t be afraid, illegal immigrants can not take America away from you, from us, but your fear can and will.

82 On Nov 29, 09:06 am, Pierce wrote:

Didn’t the Chinese come voluntarily and get paid? Granted the wages were low and they were treated poorly especially after the railroad was built or what ever job they had been hired to for was completed. Then they were demagogued against for political purposes much like what is happening with Hispanics today. Same sort of tactics were used against the Irish, Italians, people from India ect. Same old small minded crap .

84 On Nov 29, 05:57 pm, leatherskull wrote:

Cristobal Silverio emigrated illegally from Mexico to Stockton, Calif., in 1997 to work as a fruit picker.

He brought with him his wife, Felipa, and three children, 19, 12 and 8 – all illegals. When Felipa gave birth to her fourth child, daughter Flor, the family had what is referred to as an “anchor baby” – an American citizen by birth who provided the entire Silverio clan a ticket to remain in the U.S. permanently.

But Flor was born premature, spent three months in the neonatal incubator and cost the San Joaquin Hospital more than $300,000. Meanwhile, oldest daughter Lourdes married an illegal alien gave birth to a daughter, too. Her name is Esmeralda. And Felipa had yet another child, Cristian.

The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma. Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two “anchor babies.”

While President Bush says the U.S. needs more “cheap labor” from south of the border to do jobs Americans aren’t willing to do, the case of the Silverios shows there are indeed uncalculated costs involved in the importation of such labor – public support and uninsured medical costs.

In fact, the increasing number of illegal aliens coming into the United States is forcing the closure of hospitals, spreading previously vanquished diseases and threatening to destroy America’s prized health-care system, says a report in the spring issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.

“The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical consequences,” writes Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of the report. “We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than what is seen.”

According to her study, 84 California hospitals are closing their doors as a direct result of the rising number of illegal aliens and their non-reimbursed tax on the system.

“Anchor babies,” the author writes, “born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income.”

In addition, the report says, “many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue, and Chagas disease.”

While politicians often mention there are 43 million without health insurance in this country, the report estimates that at least 25 percent of those are illegal immigrants. The figure could be as high as 50 percent.

Not being insured does not mean they don’t get medical care.

Under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985, hospitals are obligated to treat the uninsured without reimbursement.

“Government imposes viciously stiff fines and penalties on any physician and any hospital refusing to treat any patient that a zealous prosecutor deems an emergency patient, even though the hospital or physician screened and declared the patient’s illness or injury non-emergency,” says the report. “But government pays neither hospital nor physician for treatments. In addition to the fiscal attack on medical facilities and personnel, EMTALA is a handy truncheon with which to pummel politically unpopular physicians by falsely accusing them of violating EMTALA.”

According to the report, between 1993 and 2003, 60 California hospitals closed because half their services became unpaid. Another 24 California hospitals verge on closure, the author writes.

“American hospitals welcome ‘anchor babies,’” says the report. “Illegal alien women come to the hospital in labor and drop their little anchors, each of whom pulls its illegal alien mother, father, and siblings into permanent residency simply by being born within our borders. Anchor babies are citizens, and instantly qualify for public welfare aid: Between 300,000 and 350,000 anchor babies annually become citizens because of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside.”

Among the organizations directing illegal aliens into America’s medical systems, according to the report, are the Ford Foundation-funded Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, the National Immigration Law Center, the American Immigration Lawyers Association, the American Bar Association’s Commission on Immigration Policy, Practice, and Pro Bono, the Immigrant Legal Resource Center, the National Council of La Raza, George Soros’s Open Society Institute, the Migration Policy Institute, the National Network for Immigration and Refugee Rights and the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Because drug addiction and alcoholism are classified as diseases and disabilities, the fiscal toll on the health-care system rises.

When Linda Torres was arrested in Bakersfield, Calif., with about $8,500 in small bills in a sack, the police originally thought it was stolen money, explained the report. It was her Social Security lump sum for her disability—heroin addiction.

“Today, legal immigrants must demonstrate that they are free of communicable diseases and drug addiction to qualify for lawful permanent residency green cards,” writes Cosman, a medical lawyer, who formerly taught medical students at the City University of New York. “Illegal aliens simply cross our borders medically unexamined, hiding in their bodies any number of communicable diseases.”

Many illegals entering this country have tuberculosis, according to the report.

“That disease had largely disappeared from America, thanks to excellent hygiene and powerful modern drugs such as isoniazid and rifampin,” says the report. “TB’s swift, deadly return now is lethal for about 60 percent of those infected because of new Multi-Drug Resistant Tuberculosis. Until recently MDR-TB was endemic to Mexico. This Mycobacterium tuberculosis is resistant to at least two major anti-tubercular drugs. Ordinary TB usually is cured in six months with four drugs that cost about $2,000. MDR-TB takes 24 months with many expensive drugs that cost around $250,000 with toxic side effects. Each illegal with MDR-TB coughs and infects 10 to 30 people, who will not show symptoms immediately. Latent disease explodes later.

TB was virtually absent in Virginia until in 2002, when it spiked a 17 percent increase, but Prince William County, just south of Washington, D.C., had a much larger rise of 188 percent. Public health officials blamed immigrants. In 2001 the Indiana School of Medicine studied an outbreak of MDR-TB, and traced it to Mexican illegal aliens. The Queens, New York, health department attributed 81 percent of new TB cases in 2001 to immigrants. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ascribed 42 percent of all new TB cases to ‘foreign born’ people who have up to eight times higher incidences apparently, 66 percent of all TB cases coming to America originate in Mexico, the Philippines and Vietnam.”

Other health threats from illegals include, according to the report:

* Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or “kissing bug disease,” is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which prefers to bite the lips and face. The protozoan parasite that it carries, Trypanosoma cruzi, infects 18 million people annually in Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths. The disease also infiltrates America’s blood supply. Chagas affects blood transfusions and transplanted organs. No cure exists. Hundreds of blood recipients may be silently infected. * Leprosy, also known as Hansen’s disease, was so rare in America that in 40 years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern states because illegal aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the Caribbean and Mexico. * Dengue fever is exceptionally rare in America, though common in Ecuador, Peru, Vietnam, Thailand, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Mexico. Recently, according to the report, there was a virulent outbreak of dengue fever in Webb County, Texas, which borders Mexico. Though dengue is usually not a fatal disease, dengue hemorrhagic fever routinely kills. * Polio was eradicated from America, but now reappears in illegal immigrants as do intestinal parasites, says the report. * Malaria was obliterated, but now is re-emerging in Texas.

The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons report includes a strong prescription for protecting the health of Americans:

* Closing America’s borders with fences, high-tech security devices and troops. * Rescinding the U.S. citizenship of “anchor babies.” * Punishing the aiding and abetting of illegal aliens as a crime. * An end to amnesty programs.

LOS ANGELES — This is part three of a five-part series looking at how illegal immigration affects U.S. border security, the criminal, health care and education systems, as well as the economy. Watch the series this week on FOX News Channel.

Overburdened by the uninsured and overwhelmed by illegal immigration (search), public health care in Los Angeles is on life support.

Sixty percent of the county’s uninsured patients are not U.S. citizens. More than half are here illegally. About 2 million undocumented aliens in Los Angeles County alone are crowding emergency rooms because they can’t afford to see a doctor.

According to the State Association of Hospitals (search), California’s public health system is “on the brink of collapse.” In Los Angeles County, patients can wait four days for a hospital bed and up to two years for gallbladder surgery.

“The hospitals are closing because of the totality of the uninsured,” said Dr. Thomas Garthwaite, director of the Los Angeles County Health Department (search). “If you’re legally a resident in California and you’re poor, you have a right to basic services.”But some critics say the taxpayers can’t be the HMO (search) to the world. Last year, Los Angeles County spent $340 million to treat the uninsured; that’s roughly $1,000 for every taxpayer.

“We’re citizens here. Why should somebody from another country that’s here illegally get anything that we can’t get? I mean that’s dumb, that’s not right,” said Don Schenck, whose son, Bill, is mentally disabled.

Though the Schencks are uninsured, and considered poor by county standards, his father had to find a way to pay for his Bill’s care while thousands of others, in the country illegally, get it for free.

“It makes you feel pretty bad when you’re born in that country and you’re handicapped and you’ve got a learning disability and you can’t get medical,” Schenck said.

Mike Antonovich, the Los Angeles County supervisor, said the system has been “basically bankrupted.”

The Department of Health has a $1.2 billion deficit. Caring for illegals is siphoning money from other services and forcing clinics, trauma centers and emergency rooms to close, he said.

“We cannot afford to have a open-door policy to encourage illegals to continue to come here and receive all the medical care, because it’s too expensive,” he said.

Immigrants like Yolanda Hernandez, however, argue that if there were cheap insurance plans available to her community, people would buy them.

”[Americans] have enough money to pay for insurance,” she said. “They make good money and are educated. Unfortunately, we are not.”

86 On Nov 29, 07:41 pm, leatherskull wrote:

KY- above your comment is a couple of articles talking about the hospitals closing and what is causing them. So there is proof that hospitals are closing due to illegals. I also found FrontPageMagazine.com and government sites to back that up. You should go to bordermovie.com.

88 On Nov 29, 08:34 pm, Champ wrote:

On Nov 29, 08:02 pm, Im being dry humped wrote:
This Country was built on hard work, individualism and patriotism not social programs, welfare and hand outs.
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Ever hear of the homestead act? Imigiration act? Werent those social prorgams and the dreaded handouts?
And speaking of handouts, how about the railroad, ever hear how the railroad was enticed into foing coast to coast?

I’ll bet you, Robin Hillard, that you’ve directly benefited from a lot of social programs and handouts and arent even aware of it, nor are you grateful.

90 On Nov 29, 10:07 pm, I need some KY Im tired of being dry humped wrote:

I never heard of these before Why dont you explain the Homestead Act and the Immigration Act(which One!) Please explain to us why you believe these were social programs and why these acts were formed for new DOCUMENTED LEGAL IMMIGRANT UNITED STATES CITIZENS and who was in office at the time. You are as bad as a Holocaust denier, hell you probably deny that happened too. The only handouts ever given to me was by my parents as a child. Oh ya, the Railroad, please explain your rationality on that one!!??, “happywiththe newcomers”, come on lets hear it, what about “The New Deal”, “The Income Tax” Etc. chimp”happywiththe newcomers”, You have Constipation of the brain let me be your maximum strength laxative, I will rid you of all your fouls in life. Just because something is popular, does not mean it is right, would you not agree? Trying to out somebody is a low blow ,this proves only one thing, how intolerant you really are. 1 strike! One more question for ya, are you A Hugo Chavez supporter.

92 On Nov 30, 08:18 am, Jon Dana wrote:

social programs that cost govt. ie. taxpayer nothing, work the best. I’m in favor of those. There where individuals leading the cooperation and team playing and now of course nobody wants that. Because we are not desperate enough, maybe in 4 years though, time will tell, depends how bad this recession is going to be.

94 On Nov 30, 04:07 pm, josewalestheotheones wrote:

Letter: We’re watching commission
This is an open letter to our county commissioners:

You only defeated Measure 4-123 by 71 votes out of 13,000. I wouldn’t be comfortable with that majority if I were you.

We’re watching closely; you need to conclude your issue with the district attorney. If you persist in stalling or other unwise delaying tactics, we will know. If you don’t want to get the job done, I’m sure we’ll find someone who will.

May is a long way off, and putting a campaign together isn’t all that difficult. I live in Richard Lee’s district, and he’s becoming an embarrassment to the voters of this district.

Don’t disappoint us.

96 On Nov 30, 05:42 pm, leatherskull wrote:

The homestead act was made to create a bigger agriculture market and provide a means for settlements to grow. The government did not just give the land to any body, you had to be an american or willing to become one legally. Even in those days the government took care of its people. most states did not agree to it because they feared the return of slavery. People still found ways to exploit the land for their own benefit. I have provided the homestead act bellow.

The Homestead Act
May 20, 1862

(U. S. Statutes at Large, Vol. XII, p. 392 ff.)

AN ACT to secure homesteads to actual settlers on the public domain.

Be it enacted, That any person who is the head of a family, or who has arrived at the age of twenty-one years, and is a citizen of the United States, or who shall have filed his declaration of intention to become such, as required by the naturalization laws of the United States, and who has never borne arms against the United States Government or given aid and comfort to its enemies, shall, from and after the first of January, eighteen hundred and sixty-three, be entitled to enter one quarter-section or a less quantity of unappropriated public lands, upon which said person may have filed a pre-emption claim, or which may, at the time the application is made, be subject to pre-emption at one dollar and twenty-five cents, or less, per acre; or eighty acres or less of such unappropriated lands, at two dollars and fifty cents per acre, to be located in a body, in conformity to the legal subdivisions of the public lands, and after the same shall have been surveyed: Provided, That any person owning or residing on land may, under the provisions of this act, enter other land lying contiguous to his or her said land, which shall not, with the land so already owned and occupied, exceed in the aggregate one hundred and sixty acres.

Sec. 2. That the person applying for the benefit of this act shall, upon application to the register of the land office in which he or she is about to make such entry, make affidavit before the said register or receiver that he or she is the head of a family, or is twenty-one or more years of age, or shall have performed service in the Army or Navy of the United States, and that he has never borne arms against the Government of the United States or given aid and comfort to its enemies, and that such application is made for his or her exclusive use and benefit, and that said entry is made for the purpose of actual settlement and cultivation, and not, either directly or indirectly, for the use or benefit of any other person or persons whomsoever; and upon filing the said affidavit with the register or receiver, and on payment of ten dollars, he or she shall thereupon he permitted to enter the quantity of land specified: Provided, however, That no certificate shall be given or patent issued therefor until the expiration of five years from the date of such entry; and if, at the expiration of such time, or at any time within two years thereafter, the person making such entry—or if he be dead, his widow; or in case of her death, his heirs or devisee; or in case of a widow making such entry, her heirs or devisee, in case of her death—shall prove by two credible witnesses that he, she, or they have resided upon or cultivated the same for the term of five years immediately succeeding the time of filing the affidavit aforesaid, and shall make affidavit that no part of said land has been alienated, and that he has borne true allegiance to the Government of the United States; then, in such case, he, she, or they, if at that time a citizen of the United States, shall be entitled to a patent, as in other cases provided for by law: And provided, further, That in case of the death of both father and mother, leaving an infant child or children under twenty-one years of age, the right and fee shall inure to the benefit of said infant child or children, and the executor, administrator, or guardian may, at any time within two years after the death of the surviving parent, and in accordance with the laws of the State in which such children for the time being have their domicile, sell said land for the benefit of said infants, but for no other purpose; and the purchaser shall acquire the absolute title by the purchase, and be entitled to a patent from the United States, and payment of the office fees and sum of money herein specified.. ..

Also schools are not free we still pay for them with tax money, that is one reason we pay taxes.

98 On Nov 30, 07:58 pm, Champ wrote:

On Nov 29, 08:02 pm, Im being dry humped wrote:
This Country was built on hard work, individualism and patriotism not social programs, welfare and hand outs.
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then, the very next day!

On Nov 30, 05:09 pm, Im dry humped wrote:
Hey “Hugo jose marqusz Chavez” our Country gave hand outs to United States Citizens
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Hey, Flip Flopper, have you been getting dry humped in your ear so much you cant keep your bullshit straight? First you say there wasnt any handouts then you say there was handouts? You know what, you really arentvery good at this internet arguing, are you flip flopper.

100 On Nov 30, 08:32 pm, yeah right wrote:

This country was built with slave labor, child labor and indentured servitude. When a modern day american claims to have built this country, a native that wasn’t killed off would more likely point to the destruction of the land and waterways. Not Wallstreet.

Anyone know how much energy it takes to keep the liquid gas so cold?

102 On Nov 30, 09:13 pm, Robin Hillard wrote:

Keep these posts between you guys, it would be in your best interest to leave me out of it. Stop using my name, Please!

104 On Nov 30, 10:02 pm, leatherskull wrote:

If I were to show you the web sites that show you how bad illegal immigration is hurting this country would you have gone to them, probably not so i show you. Now that you have seen how bad illegal immigration is you turn to slander and try to use the past as an excuse. this was a new country with a new government trying to grow. Bad decisions and mistakes were made. It took some time and more mistakes to learn from to create the country we live in now. These problems were resolved and corrected then by those people. This is now not then, we need to work on our present events and our future. We were not responsible for those events we did not exist then, we exist now. If people continue to thrive in the past we will not progress. History is just that. We learn it so we dont make the same mistakes. We now live in a prosperous country that is slowly declining because people forget that we still need to take care of this country and its people.

And to bring up the indians and try to say what they might say is just stupid. Half of my family are indians and i know how they feel about the past and present.

106 On Dec 1, 01:33 am, me wrote:

Cool. I didn’t sign any paperwork, nor was I even alive when my dad signed the mortgage paperwork. So that means since our family has lived here all of my life I don’t’ owe the bank for this land, only my dad owed. Since they couldn’t get it out of him before he died I have every right to not pay the mortgage off yet still keep the land? This is now, that was then. Cool logic. Hope it stands up in court. How many years is your logic good for? A standard mortgage clause 30 years? 50 years? Or what? How long is it before “that was then this is now and the debt no longer counts” takes effect? Does it have anything at all to do with the color of your skin, your heritage, your education or religion you practice how long you are obligated to pay back a debt owed?

108 On Dec 1, 01:46 pm, jose marquez wrote:

On Nov 30, 09:58 pm, I need some KY Im tired of being dry humped wrote:
how the hell do you get humped in the ear.
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Since you’re the one who is continuously making crude sexual references about others on these discussions, perhaps you should be the one to explain it.
We are not all as “hump” orientated as you appear to be.